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    Quote Originally Posted by TELAmae View Post
    He sent us home with a prescription of supplements and Royal Canin Junior Giant Breed dog food. A week later we were back at the vet, what would be her wrist had swollen to the size of a tennis ball. I told him that I also noticed a popping sound in her back legs and the straining of her back legs is happening more frequently now, I'd say twice a week. Now we're on anti-inflammatories and painkillers, and she hasn't been herself and it's just heartbreaking.
    I would agree with a second opinion - as soon as possible. The Royal Canin include ingredients that are usually not recommended for dogs that have inflammatory issues. Joint problems are inflammatory issues.

    As I posted in the other thread, I am curious as to how the vet decided Tela has muscle mass issues. If Tela is already showing joint and skeletal issues, she should be kept thin, not put on more weight. The common logic is that the more muscle mass the dog has, the more taxing it will be on bad joints.

    I had a 3-legged pyr who was fully 30 inches tall at the withers but he had bad knees (or bad knee since he only has one back leg left). The vet that the rescue took him to, my own vet, as well as an orthopedic specialist all agreed that he needed to be kept at no more than 75 lbs. None of them wanted the dog to have heavy muscles.

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    oooo it's bad ((((

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    will keep Tela in my thoughts for an end to her pain & discomfort....but totally agree with Jewel (and you & hubby) get a second opinion...and try not to let her gain any more weight

    please keep us informed on what the outcome is...

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    I took her for a second opinion last Monday. So very glad I had the instinct to do so, even before I came back and checked the forum. Tela's got a luxating patella on both her back legs. Sucks, but he really doesn't encourage surgery on the large breeds for this because he said that it will put too much pressure on her bones. We will only do the surgery if her legs pop out more than 3-5 days a week. And it hasn't happened in a week, so fingers crossed this won't be too much of a problem for her. He also recommended we tap her swollen wrist joints and test the fluid and figure out exactly what is going wrong. He said it's either one of two things -- a type of juvenile arthiritis, or a tick bite may have caused some joint inflammation. She's going to be sedated on this coming Monday, and he will take joint fluid and a blood test as well to rule out anything else. He's quite confident it's a juvenile arthritis. If so, there's injections (expensive!) that she'll have to be on for the rest of her life, but he's confident it will help her mobility and she'll get right back to puppy playing and enjoying her life. He also told me to throw the meds the other vet prescribed in the garbage. As soon as we stopped the antiinflammatories and painkillers, the swelling sort of went down on its own within a couple days and she's doing much better. Her mood has improved and she's even been playing a little bit. I've still been trying to keep her calm and limiting her activity until we find out what the tests reveal.

    I'll be sure to ask Monday about the food, and what he recommends her to be on/feeding amounts, etc. Didn't realize Royal Canin had some inflammatory ingredients. Blows my mind that our original vet didn't even recommend any of this testing. Just hope we're doing the right thing, but Tela seems happier so I'm going with it. Thanks for all the support, I'll continue to keep you updated on this process.

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    As I posted in the other thread, I am curious as to how the vet decided Tela has muscle mass issues. If Tela is already showing joint and skeletal issues, she should be kept thin, not put on more weight. The common logic is that the more muscle mass the dog has, the more taxing it will be on bad joints.

    I had a 3-legged pyr who was fully 30 inches tall at the withers but he had bad knees (or bad knee since he only has one back leg left). The vet that the rescue took him to, my own vet, as well as an orthopedic specialist all agreed that he needed to be kept at no more than 75 lbs. None of them wanted the dog to have heavy muscles.
    I'm curious as well. You know I forgot to mention to the new vet that this is what was said. I was so concerned with the swelling joints getting worse and her limping around that I didn't even think to mention the food change. What did you feed the 3-legged Pyr? She's only a year old and 130 lbs. I feel like someone would have mentioned if she was overweight, but this is a good point for me to mention when I take her for the joint tapping and blood tests on Monday.

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    Telamae....oye....luxating patellas!!! I know exactly what that is...our first Pyr, Spirit, had to have surgery on both of her "knees" we called her our bionic dog!

    She was just over 6 months when it was discovered & we had the first surgery done....and then just over a year when she had her second surgery. I sometimes feel that this is the reason she never roamed, I could leave her outside & she stayed right by the house on the property...
    She didn't develop any arthritis until she was about 9 years....and laid her head down for a final rest at just over 10

    she was not a large girl, so maybe that is why her vet decided surgery was the way to go with her...she was always around 80 pounds at maturity

    so glad you have a diagnosis & can now work on helping her heal

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    UPDATE: The vet took more xrays today before he sedated her, and saw evidence of Hypertrophic osteodystrophy -- swelling in the bones from growing too fast -- so he didn't sedate and tap the joint. She's on steroids and tramadol. They did a urine culture as well for the reoccurring bladder infections. Vet is going to tap her joint if this doesn't help. We shall see...

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    Oy, poor baby. Hope the steroids and painkiller will help her in short order. She's going to be drinking a lot more with the steroids and then she'll need to pee a lot.

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