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    I have a 1 y/o great pyr named Atlas. Lately he has been very distructive and disobedient. And I need some serious help controlling him. I try and take him on walks and hikes but he just tugs me around and completely ignores me, I can get him to play fetch for a short time but he gets bored, also he plays tug of war occasionally. What I really need are some tips for him to listen to me. I have always been told to not repeat commands more than once, but what do I do when I say it and he doesn’t listen? I feel like great pyrs are so different than any other breed so everything I read just doesn’t fit my circumstances. So basically, any obedience tips and training ideas I could try would be greatly appreciated!!

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    Welcome Waverunner & Atlas....sounds like you & he need to figure out how to get some of his excess energy burned off.

    Take him to a class, learn how to use a good leash...gentle leader...etc. to stop him form tugging...the class will help train you & him to become a better team...

    Pyr's don't play "fetch" as you found out...they get bored
    Pyr's really don't "listen" either...they have been bred for years to "think" independently...to make decisions on their own...so your "request' will be met by Atlas "thinking"....why the request, how will it benefit the circumstance...what will the outcome be? I know it sounds goofy...byt they do have a thought process

    So...basically, find a good trainer that knows Livestock Guarding Breeds that can work with the both of you

    As the ole saying goes...a tired dog is a good dog!....And....the more time, energy & patience you put into your dog...the better team you will become

    Nancy & Rudy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waverunner22 View Post
    I feel like great pyrs are so different than any other breed so everything
    Lol, it is well known that pyrs aren't the same as biddable breeds that are bred to listen to humans. They aren't wired to listen to humans. That's a reason you don't see them excel in obedience rings. But that is entirely different than a pyr learning rules and boundaries.

    What you are describing sounds like a teenager who is busting out of his skin with too much energy. It's pretty hard to train a dog, especially a puppy, if it doesn't have adequate activities to drain its energy. While generally speaking pyrs aren't considered high energy, some dogs are very high spirited and needs more exercise than an average pyr. I had one of those. I was lucky that when I got her, I had a young male pyr mix who could drain her energy to make her manageable.

    Are there dog parks you can take Atlas to? Or doggy daycare? Playing with other dogs is a very good way to drain energy.

    here are different tools available to control pulling. Don't know if you've used different ones. Head halter is one that many have used with good results to control a strong puller. But you must carefully read instructions on how to use a head collar so that you do not cause sever damage to the dog's neck. Used properly the head halter could be very effective.

    Prong collar is effective for many as well. But a prong also must be used properly.

    But I think it is best if you can find a trainer who can work with you, someone who understands the proper use of tools. Enrolling him in class would also be helpful in draining his mental energy.

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    I do have some dog parks around, I took him one time not to long ago and he seemed extremely stressed out, he does very well with one on one, but I think the dog park is a lot to handle and is going to take some getting used to. He pretty much just ran away from anything that got to close. I am wondering if this means I shouldn’t take him to the dog park though? I was thinking that he would just get used to it eventually, but I also don’t want to scar him and make him more fearful of other dogs..

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    Late reply about Atlas - hope things are going better.

    I try and take him on walks and hikes but he just tugs me around and completely ignores me

    Kook did this when I first got him and since I am not going to win based on strength, I had to just be more stubborn than he was. When he would start to pull, I would just come to a complete stop. I would not start again until he either sat next to me or came closer to leave slack in the leash for 30 seconds. As soon as he started pulling again, we would go through this routine. It took maybe 3 weeks of doing this and sometimes standing there for 5 minutes waiting for him to give in. I adopted him when he was 9 months and went through a couple of weeks of being yanked around by him before I started doing this.

    I've used this same method on my niece's chow. It worked, but only for me. My niece is hella strong and in great shape, but her chow will not alter the established routine. I'm guessing this just means I am more stubborn than either a Great Pyr or a chow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waverunner22 View Post
    I do have some dog parks around, I took him one time not to long ago and he seemed extremely stressed out, he does very well with one on one, but I think the dog park is a lot to handle and is going to take some getting used to. He pretty much just ran away from anything that got to close. I am wondering if this means I shouldn’t take him to the dog park though? I was thinking that he would just get used to it eventually, but I also don’t want to scar him and make him more fearful of other dogs..
    You might try taking him there at a slower time - mine was overwhelmed by the chaos at peak hours. He was also very selective about his play partners, so if he shows more interest in interacting with a dog see if you can arrange a play date at the dog park. I've found the other folks at the dog park were very helpful and supportive of new dog getting more comfortable.

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