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    Has anyone used a shock collar to train their Great Pyr? Pros/Cons?

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    Welcome to the forum, and thank you for taking the time to ask about the shock collar before deciding to use one on your Pyr.

    Pyrs, in general, do not respond well to aversive training tools and techniques, and the shock collar is about as aversive as it gets. There is also a substantial risk of the dog associating the shock with an unintended cause. For example, let's say that you are trying to teach the dog not to chase after the neighbor's cat. You shock him while he is actively chasing the cat. There is a chance that he will associate the shock with the act of chasing, which is what you want him to stop doing. There is also a chance that he will associate the shock with the sight of the cat, leading him to believe that the cat is a threat. Next time the dog sees the cat, he may run away from the cat, terrified, or he may eliminate the threat by attacking and killing the threat.

    In the same scenario, let's say that you call the dog's name and he turns and looks at you while he is being shocked. He could easily then associate you with the shock, and consider you to be a threat. That is the opposite of what you want.

    If we know a little bit more about your dog and the behaviors you are trying to reinforce/curb, perhaps we can suggest techniques that will be more helpful (and less risky) to attaining your goals.
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    welcome Knox47...and your Pyr...male/female...how old?

    very few "cons" for a shock collar, for one, as SebastiansMom says...one must really know how to use it, you may end up re-enforcing a behavior unintentionally

    also...very few people really know how to use a shock collar at the appropriate moment, unless you have worked with a professional...

    agree...more info please

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    Besides what SM said another reason why a shock collar doesn't tend to work on these guys is because, one they are as stubborn as it comes. So often times they don't care that they are being shocked so they play through the pain. Another negative about a shock collar is usually they don't feel the shock because of all of their hair. So if you went this route you would have to shave a collar break for it to work and that can mess up their coat and with their stubbornness it can leave marks.

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    There is a pyr and St. Bernard who both have shock collars at a neighborhood supervised dog meet. It happens everyday. I stopped going to it because this owner is in denial that the shock collars was making her dogs more aggressive. I've personally witnessed their pyr attacked an adult lab and the 155lb St. Bernard go after a husky puppy. Please don't use shock collars.

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    I was desparate to stop barking with my last pyr, Polar Bear. I tried a shock collar, she didn't care and actually had sores on her neck from the shocks. I would NEVER EVER try it again.
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    I have a shock collar on my Angus but only use the alarm function, in fact - It doesn't have any prongs on the collar. The alarm feature works great for distracting him if he is running off or too far off to hear me. Angus knows that if he comes to me when alarmed, a treat is in his future. The alarm feature will also distract him from barking (for 45 seconds anyway) unless he is barking at a stranger.

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    Great Pyrs can tolerate great amount of pain. It wouldn't surprised me if my dog got used to the shock and play through the pain.

    I have never used a shock collar, but all I can tell you is that these guys tolerate the pain very well so I'm not sure if the shock itself will prevent them to do what you don't want them to do.

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    Please please please don’t use a shock collar. I’ve seen so many dogs become more aggressive after using them. There is this dog training group where this woman advocates them for difficult rescue dogs... pit bull, pit mixes, large breeds such as her pyr or St. Bernard. Both of her dogs have displaced aggression where they snap without warning in unwarranted situations and I’ve seen her 150 lb St. Bernard take it out on a puppy. It was horrible! Perhaps she relies on the shock collar because her dog is much larger than this her. She is 5’2 and very thin. I can see why someone would reason that LGDd don’t respond easily and why they think it is a good idea in theory but the results are rarely good.

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    I have to wonder if the alarm sound on Angus’ collar is startling him and contributing to some of the behavior that you have noticed around new people, lately. As puppies and adolescents, many Pyrs and Pyr mixes go through several phases where they are easily startled, and can form some strange associations between what they see and the emotion they feel.

    You say that when you sound the alarm, he runs to you because he knows he will get a treat, but I have a sneaking suspicion that if the treat were really his motivation for running to you, he would be equally willing to come claim his treat at the sound of a verbal cue or even a whistle - some consistent audible cue that is not actually coming from a source that is attached to him.

    I think it *could* be possible that he is running back to you when he hears the alarm out of fear. Now, keep in mind that I say this as a layperson who is not present to witness the behavior. I just have some first-hand experience in working with a fearful, noise-sensitive dog. In my dog’s case, his fear spilled into nearly every aspect of his life, and was triggered by some pretty surprising things.

    This is something I would definitely discuss with the trainer/Behaviorist you bring in to help you.
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